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Post by hungarianfan on May 28, 2004 18:16:02 GMT -5
Zubrus in the Russian team?
Is it a joke?
At least a shame for the Russian hockey. I don't think they couldn't find another winger.
If I were Zubrus, I would play only in his national team. It is sure.
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Post by body-czech on May 28, 2004 18:54:37 GMT -5
Nabokov(kaz), now Zubrus(lat)...... at the world cup will play Russia or the USSR. Ok, but then I want a team Czechoslovakia!
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Post by pdel21 on May 31, 2004 10:33:54 GMT -5
I think it is shameful what Russia is doing with their roster. Nabokov is Kazakh (I know he wants to play for them, but ...), Zubrus is Lithuanian, Tverdovsky is Ukrainian. What's next, Antropov(KAZ), Ozolinsh(LAT), Suursoo(EST), Salei(BLR). In all likelihood Kasparaitis will be there (also Lithuanian). In fact, why not ice a team that is not Russian at all. It certainly could be done, but what does that say about Russian Hockey. They have some of the most talented players in the world. If they won't play for whatever reason, then select some Russians who will and build for the future. I would think that some of the younger Russian NHLers would be willing to play. Here is my Team "Russia" (LOL)
Nabokov Irbe Skudra
Skrastins Ozolinsh Salei Kasparaitis Tverdovsky Zhitnik Vishnevski Astashenko
Antropov Ponikarovsky Fedotenko Shvidki Koltsov Zherdev Zholtok Varlamov Zubrus Suursoo Vasiljevs Cipruss Koreshkov, A Koreshkov Shakraychuk
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Post by pihinalle on May 31, 2004 10:43:32 GMT -5
Isn't Tverdovsky from Belarus? And I think Kasparaitis has always played for Russia because he was allowed to represent Russia in olympics.
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Post by pdel21 on May 31, 2004 10:54:04 GMT -5
No Tverdovsky is Ukrainian. I know Kasparaitis was allowed to play for Russia as was Tverdovsky. When the Soviet Union split up players were given the option to play for Russia or their newly formed teams. These 2 didn't like that option since all new teams start at the bottom of the ladder and have to work their way to the top levels of hockey. For the case of Ukraine, they are competing in the premier level of the World Championships but Lithuania is still in division II. However, imagine if all the players I listed above actually played for their teams, wouldn't this improve the level of play for say Ukraine (Tverdovsky, Zhitnik, Zherdev, Vishnevski all choose Russia over Ukraine). Anyway from IWHC.NET, I got this from the message boards as the Official Russian Roster:
N. Khabibulin E. Nabokov <- KAZ M. Sokolov
O. Tverdovsky <- UKR D. Markov S. Gonchar D. Kasparaitis <- LIT A. Khavanov V. Vishnevski <- UKR A. Volchenkov A. Markov
D. Zubrus <- LIT A. Chubarov S. Samsonov A. Kovalev S. Fedorov I. Kovalchuck M. Afinogenov P. Datsyuk Victor Kozlov A. Yashin A. Zhamnov V. Bure O. Kvasha A. Ovechkin M. Sushinski
So that is 5 players that could be improving the level of hockey in their own nation as oppossed to Russia.
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 1, 2004 15:19:10 GMT -5
Guys, Nabokov is Russian. His parents are too. We were born in the times of USSR, where nobody counted you by nationality and people moved into different parts of country.
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Post by Lukasz on Jun 1, 2004 16:07:50 GMT -5
2Mrs.Sikora: I agree but players shouldn’t change national teams like socks, if he chosen Kazakhstan he should play only there. PS: you didn’t must be born in USSR to be moved into different part of USSR we Poles know something about this, we also have minority in Kazakhstan.
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 2, 2004 1:27:15 GMT -5
Yes, but he only played 18 mins for them.
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Post by pihinalle on Jun 2, 2004 9:39:47 GMT -5
Nabokov can't represent Russia in Olympic games because he has played for Kazakhstan.
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 3, 2004 3:12:28 GMT -5
pihinalle, you are wrong ! He can. They allowed him.
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Post by pihinalle on Jun 3, 2004 13:28:09 GMT -5
They did? Well, then I must be wrong.
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Post by Jazz on Jun 3, 2004 13:45:15 GMT -5
Hey everyone! I've also heard conflicting reports about Nabokov's eligibility to play for Russia during IIHF sanctioned events (such as the Olympics). I know he can play in for Russia in the World Cup because the IIHF's rules don't apply (remember Peter Štatsny playing for Canada), but has that eligibilty rule been changed by the IIHF for the Olympics? And if so, to what?
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Post by DanCan on Jun 3, 2004 14:19:37 GMT -5
The IIHF eligibility rules were changed at the IIHF Generel Congress in Marabella, Spain last year. The new rules apply both to Olympics and World Championships (but obviously not to the World Cup which is not a IIHF tournament). This is the news release from the IIHF: IIHF Congress approves new national team eligibility ruleThe IIHF General Congress at Marbella, Spain closed today, June 7, 2003. On Friday, the congress approved a major change to the existing player eligibility rules for participation in IIHF Championships and Olympic competitions. Under the former bylaws, a player who had represented a country after his 18th birthday, in an IIHF championship or in an Olympics competition, could not later represent another country in an IIHF championship or in an Olympic competition. The congress approved a new rule which permits a player to apply to the IIHF to represent another country provided that he is a citizen of that country and that he has participated for at least four consecutive years in the national competitions of his new country during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country. In addition, the player must have an International Transfer Card (ITC) permitting his transfer to the new country and that ITC must be approved and dated by the IIHF at least four years before the start of the IIHF competition (world championships or Olympics) in which he wishes to participate. Such change will be allowed only once in a player's life an is final and irrevocable. It is important to point out that the new rule cannot be taken advantage of by IIHF players who become Canadian or US-citizens and play in the National Hockey League for at least four years. A transfer of an IIHF player to the NHL is not regulated under the International Transfer Card program. Thus, he is not able to apply to represent Canada or the US under the new "four-year window" rule. About Nabokov[/b] It follows from the rule change, that nothing prevents Evgeny Nabokov from playing for Russia. The only question is when he is eligible to play. It is clear that Nabokov has played four consequtive years in Russia -- he played in the RSL from 1991 to 1997 (first for Kazzinc Topedo Ust-Kamenogorsk (the leading Kazak team) and later (four seasons) for Dynamo Moscow. In 1994 (I think), he played for Kazakhstan in the WC-U20 (I think). This implies that he has not played four consequtive years in RSL after that championship. But the new rules doesn't say anything clear about this. We have discussed this issue at the IIHF Fan Corner before, and Mrs. Sykora very firmly believe that the IIHF has cleared Nabokov to play for Russia in the Olympics. So unless someone can present clear evidence that the IIHF has disapproved Nabokov (which I'm pretty sure is not the case), I suggest we should leave this discussion.
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Post by pyr on Jun 23, 2004 4:35:29 GMT -5
Nabokov here, Nabokov there, what could he do behind russian ementhaler defence?
I agree with Lukasz (somwhere on the first page) Tikhonov is only excuse. The Russians must first find willing to play for their country. They are still cought in the past in the Soviet Union identity. They must find some new now or they´ll never go back to the position in world sport they had.
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Post by body-czech on Jun 23, 2004 7:22:18 GMT -5
Dasvidanja, sbornaja. Good bye soviet machine. I never liked the CCCP, but I cheered to them against Canada. Maybe cause of their style of hockey. The russian hockey is in a big crisis, it is generally known, but how to improove it, when some players dont have any desire to play for the national squad. It is sad.
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