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Post by body-czech on Jul 15, 2004 12:28:33 GMT -5
Everybody know the difference between the international and north-american hockey. Different rink-size and other diversities in the rules produces naturally the different attitude to the sport and makes from ice hockey almost 2 different sports. If I very exaggerate hockey in Europe compared with hockey in NA is like figure skating and wrestling. I don´t wanna force the NA to play more technically or Europe to play more physical game. No, no,..keep the difference in attitude to the game, but play on the same rink with the same rules.
Nevertheless, my modest proposal is this: same ice-rink size in NA and rest of the world (58x28meters), united rules e.g. ban red-line offside, allow 2 line pass I wondered when I read the NHL 10 suggestions released about a half year ago. Some were really ruidiculous. your proposals?
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Post by Jazz on Jul 15, 2004 13:09:34 GMT -5
Interesting question.
I think the NHL and the rest of north america should expand the rink size from 85 feet (26m), but not to the 100 feet (30m), but to something inbetween - maybe use the Finnish model and expand to about 93/94 feet (~28m) - like what body-czech proposed above.
Rules would have to be made consistent - from the no-touch icing (which is on the way here anyways), and the 2-line offiside rule. I'm still not sure about the latter, as I can still see the merits of both having and not having the 2-line offisde rule in place.
The different refereeing style on both sides should be addressed as well.
So in the end, I voted for consistent rules, but the size of the rink is not that much of an issue for me, as long as the the north american rink is expanded somewhat.
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Post by roots on Jul 15, 2004 13:19:01 GMT -5
im big on no touch icing..most of the suggested changes from the Nhl were damn silly..goalies can't play the puck behind the net? ..all for limiting how far they can roam, but they should be allowed to play the puck behind the net. goal equipment sizing ..safety of the tender should be paramount [base sizing of equipment n a sliding scale big tender bigger gear.. top end limit..little guys won't agree]...move the nets back.. please do, more space out front more scoring chances ..tag up off side definetely ..no shoot outs ..unify the rules and rink sizes it won't change the different styles of how the games played. some countries will still opt for physical over finesse some will seek a balance. my two cents worth
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Post by SuperJ on Jul 15, 2004 22:57:50 GMT -5
I would love to see one size rink and one set of rules. No more bellyaching on the part of Canada or Europe that ice was too small or referees not fair.
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Post by Robert on Jul 16, 2004 0:48:17 GMT -5
I'm going to see a german league exhibition game in august played on a nhl-rink. Cologne vs. Duesseldorf. Both teams nowadays famous for their defense. In germany the officials say that they wont use the tocuhing icing rule because of the risk of injuries. I have to drink something to try to understand that. In fact, I have to drink a lot . 5 minute major is another dream of german hockey fans. Too much dangerous sticking involved nowadays. And there's only one way to get guys know which way it goes. Give them the opportunity to solve the problem in old school style. The annulment of the two-line-offside worked pretty good in germany in the beginning, but teams can handle it much better defensivly so there's no heavy impact any more in the leagues. Robert
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Post by Graham on Jul 16, 2004 5:22:34 GMT -5
Don't like touch icing. Think it just results in needless hitting at the end of the ice which causes needless concussions. But, my main reason for hating it is that I think it delays too much time since seconds can be lost while the defenceman skates back to try and get the icing call.
For rink size, Britain is a little strange as there is a split between NHL sized rinks and IIHF sized rinks. Personally, I have always preferred games on the larger ice as they give more space for talented wingers to show their skills. As a result, I find those rinks have more flowing games than those games on smaller rinks. That said, those games also tend to be less physical, and so not everyone in the UK agrees with my choice. But, I adore the Russian game and the Czech to a slightly lesser extent.
I can see why a two-line pass is not an issue on small ice. I think it is a bigger issue on bigger ice. In the early-90s, Murrayfield Racers successfully employed a tactic where Chris Palmer spent an entire shift on the opposition blue line waiting for the pass. Very effective, and not great entertainment...
And I really don't agree with the new NHL rule banning goalies the right to play the puck behind the net...
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Post by DanCan on Jul 16, 2004 7:59:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this one. Europe and North America has different traditions which may not so easily be levelled. I do believe however that the NHL needs bigger rinks. During the last decades, the players have become faster and heavier (although not much taller), and this has increased the frequency of injuries. I do not know much about physics, but I do know that force = mass x speed. So increase the size of the rinks to make more room for the players; this could also raise the technical level of the game. In the future, I would like the NHL to get rid of the red line off side. This rule also makes the effective size of the rink smaller, so same problem. As for European hockey, I agree with Graham. It would be nice if the touch icing would be abandoned.
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Post by NyQuil on Jul 16, 2004 11:11:36 GMT -5
>>In germany the officials say that they wont use the tocuhing icing rule because of the risk of injuries. I have to drink something to try to understand that
Well, it happens to be a personal crusade of that lovable(?) curmudgeon, Don Cherry, who is very big on eliminating touch icing, and putting in no-touch icing.
A few times during the season, he played a montage of clips of players being hit into the boards, or tripping close to the boards, when skating at top speed towards the end of the ice.
In many cases, there were serious injuries on the play. Funny for you to bring up Germany, because possibly the most painful injury I've seen in one of these plays occurred last year to Marco Sturm, when he and the defencemen racing to the ends slipped, and Sturm blew out his knee.
Needless to say, Sturm, after playing great in most of the regular season, missed the playoffs.
Like Cherry says, the forward beats the defenceman maybe 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 times, and results in a goal maybe 1 in 100 times. Just not worth it.
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Post by Graham on Jul 17, 2004 10:10:47 GMT -5
I'm concerned now. I actually agree with something Cherry said!
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Post by roots on Jul 17, 2004 11:16:09 GMT -5
I'm concerned now. I actually agree with something Cherry said! scary eh? i've had that same kinda sinking feeling on occasion too..but then he says something stunned and it goes away.
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Post by Robert on Jul 17, 2004 20:12:30 GMT -5
I can agree with you now. Very good arguments.
My opinion came up because in germany there's so often the opportunity for the defender to get the puck easily, if they would skate with normal speed. And that destroys a lot of the game. I learned to hate it within the last seasons.
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Post by Graham on Jul 18, 2004 9:54:18 GMT -5
Which is poor officiating. The rules says that the linesman should wave off the icing if he (or she, we have two female linespeople in the UK) believes that it was reasonable to expect the defensive player to prevent the icing from his position.
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Post by Robert on Jul 18, 2004 11:56:33 GMT -5
We should create a referee-punishment-association-thread then. ;D That will set a new record!
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Post by NyQuil on Jul 19, 2004 10:39:59 GMT -5
One thing I'll say about the NHL refs is that in general they are quite good at knowing when to wave off icing.
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Post by doogster on Jul 19, 2004 20:23:56 GMT -5
I haven't been by the board in a while, sorry. But, I'm back!
This is an interesting thread and we have debated it many times over at HockeyRefs.com's Board.
There are 63 members of the IIHF and 61 of them play by the same rules. Only Canada and the U.S. have their own rulebooks.
In recent years there has been a big push to make the various rulebooks more consistent, but there are still some big differences - ranging from penalty options to off-side rules to little things like if the whistle is blown when the puck hits the goalie's helmet.
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