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Post by Lukasz on Jun 3, 2004 2:24:59 GMT -5
I don’t want defend his behavior in NHL, but this is international tournament. In Russia peoples judge him like I and NHL it is his private business. If he really play without heart then NYI have this problem for own wish. Second case is that I don’t remember that Czerkawski ever said bad word about Yashin, maybe he didn’t wanted destroy the team spirit but usually he told in polish medias if something was wrong. Next thing is that Alfredsson is Swede, maybe he has right but this time his opinion is not important, now Yashin will play for Russia not for Ottawa or NYI. Main thing in my opinion is that we should separate this things, everyone have general opinion about him but with American perspective this case looks completely different than from Russian perspective. Maybe little example from Poland and soccer, many our players play in German league but really I’m not interested how they played there and that their team win or not. I can see their value when they play in national team, some of them played good in the league but fatal in the national team and some of them seat at the bench in club but in national team played very good. From perspective of German fan this thing looks completely different… Hammer and sickle, nice joke!
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Post by Jazz on Jun 3, 2004 2:50:25 GMT -5
Dzien Dobry! Lukasz....I can see your prepsective on the situation - not quite the way I'd look at it, but hey......it's all good! Like I said, my opinion is that you need to see the player form every aspect. In Yashin's case, if I were a Russian fan, of course I would cheer for him as he an important part of the national team, but I would also keep in mind how he plays when national pride is not on the line, i.e. better to keep in mind the whole picture, not half of it. A player's character is not only dependent on national pride, but how he preformes for HIS team - doesn't matter what team..... Anyways, cheers!
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Post by Lukasz on Jun 3, 2004 3:02:55 GMT -5
nothing more to say than: Cheers!
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 3, 2004 3:10:36 GMT -5
May I speak for Russians ?
Well, In my country most people do not like NHL and think that hockey there is a joke and only a part of show. A lot of players like Mogilny, Fedorov or Zubov went there and completely forgot their native land. It hurts our people so much !!! Those millionaires want nothing, but money and as a result - our national team has B team at the WCs. Just imagine, that you were on our place....what would you feel ?
And Yashin, he is from the small group of players, who always come to help the team, if he's free and not injured. I remember that in 99 he was the only one NHLer, who came to Oslo and played like a real captain ! After it people began respect him and we don't care how he plays in NHL. National team - is another story.
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Post by EveB on Jun 3, 2004 4:01:25 GMT -5
Jes, from European perspective NHL is "a job" for our players . It's where they make money enough to live happily after retirement. It's not nearly as closely watched as international games. Even when we know that our players don't succeed in NHL or lead their teams there with all their heart, if they succeed in national team they're heroes. For instance in Finland of course we're proud of players like Koivu who's earned a lot of respect in NHL, but even if he was pulling moves like Yashin I wouldn't stop considering him as The Captain of team Finland. Because all his achievements in international games and SM-liiga I've seen from tv or live - but NHL career mostly only in teletext, lines like "Koivu 0+1 2min +1" in the morning.
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Post by starrightwinger on Jun 3, 2004 12:50:34 GMT -5
The only thing Yashin cares about is his paycheque! Heart! The man is a robot, no emotions at all!
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Post by Jazz on Jun 3, 2004 13:32:44 GMT -5
I think that is the difference. EveB made a good point, that most of the NHL games are on overnight for you so you don't get to see the players and how they play, other than the odd stats on the Teletext, internet or the newspaper. Luckily, we here in North America get to see these players on a game-in, game-out basis, and see how they behave in general. Players like Koivu, Mogilny, Kurri, Larionov, Sundin, Bondra, Hejduk etc are very much respected on this side for how they compete, and how they hold themselves on and off the ice. In Montréal for example, you will see that Saku Koivu jerseys will be the most numerous in the crowd as the city absolutely loves him. But if any of our Ottawa-based members posted how they view Yashin, you will see the difference.
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 3, 2004 15:15:11 GMT -5
Sorry, but Mogilny is a traitor. No respect for him.
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Post by Jazz on Jun 3, 2004 16:05:31 GMT -5
Hello Mrs. Sykora.... I seriously don't understand why he as refused to play for his country ever since the '96 World Cup. He was asked about it once, and his only response was "it is time for younger players to play - my time is up". But I respect him both as a competitor (how he competes most nights) and plus he is a great interview - always joking with the media in his responses to their questions!
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Post by rockies on Jun 3, 2004 20:46:57 GMT -5
Mogilny did not like communism and the robot-like hockey lifestyles of Army players. Unfortunately when you were very good, you can not escape Tikhonov's jaws and run away from the Central Red Army club. He still does not like the Russian hockey leadership and current state.
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Post by SensFanForever on Jun 4, 2004 5:14:44 GMT -5
I was not around in Ottawa during Yashin time with the Senators but I have done some digging as to why he is definitely not fan favorite.
Not only is he not a fan favorite, but $27.5-million lawsuit on behalf of the team's 12,000 season ticket- holders was filled against Yashin but was quashed before it reached trial.
A lot of People in Ottawa see Yashin as a selfish player, asking for an unreasonable amount of money and not willing to negotiate. Going from 3.6 million a season to 10 million. "Resolved to get a deal worth $8-10 million US per season, he made the decision last August not to report to camp until management gave into his demands." As quoted from an article in the Ottawa Sun (May 26, 2000)
Yashin sitting out a year of his contract with the Senators and ultimately being suspended by the Senators as a result; left a very bad taste in the mouths of many Senators fans, who put the blame on Yashin for a first round exit from the playoffs that year.
Although looking at the situation now, When Yashin was traded to NYI, Ottawa got the better deal in the situation. In return for Yashin we got Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt (?), first-round pick in 2001 (Jason Spezza) Stil,l Yashin not very respected in these parts.
Well there is another spin on the topic of Yashin.
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 4, 2004 6:50:06 GMT -5
Gurj, he said a lot of things...like "the word "Russia" means nothing for me"...etc.
rockies, don't speak if you don't know. Communism was almost dead, when Mogilny ran to the North America ! Yes, I agree, that Tikhonov's methods were a bit cruel, but they produced the result ! If Mogilny wanted to be a hockey star he should have known that he had to work hard to achieve all his goals ! Those things that he said do not justify him.
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Post by starrightwinger on Jun 4, 2004 13:07:07 GMT -5
In Ottawa not only does Yashin get no respect he is hated for his greed & poor preformance during the playoffs. "Show Me The Money" should be his catch phrase because that's all he cared about! I will not be wearing a Yashin jersey when the Russians play in Ottawa! I will either wear a Slovak jersey(if I can find one that's not too expensive!)or a Hossa jersey! Go Hoss & Go Slovakia!
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Post by Mrs. Sykora on Jun 4, 2004 14:39:34 GMT -5
who cares ? ;D ëè÷íî ìíå âñ¸ ðàâíî.
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Post by aj on Jun 5, 2004 7:20:43 GMT -5
He is a hockey star! And he did it his way. Good for him.
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